This article may help
www .motorbikestoday.com/news/Articles/filtering_law.htm
To anybody who takes stupid risks while riding at speed just remember that you may have to be scrapped off the floor. If your still alive then expect a very painful and uncomfortable experience with the long board. If the paramedic suspects any head trauma or you have a double tech crew then you will NOT get any pain relief. If it approaching shift change and a crew has to be dispatched to you then expect a very very unpleasant experience. you will get the appropriate medical care just not friendly.
I expect the backlash of i have been riding for blah years and never had a crash yada yada. But I have seen it and been the guy who has had to look for the head.
Also, after any serious or fatal incident comes the 'preserve the scene' situation whereby the road is closed. Tuesday night I was driving down the M6 in Staffordshire. Came to a halt at nine O'clock due to a 2 car crash up ahead. Road closed both ways for 6 and a half hours. Finally got moving at 3.30 in the morning. (Home at 6.30am just in time to go to work!!).
Geoff, surely you can't really feel that just because someone is acting irresponsibly they deserve any harm that comes to them! Yes we have all seen riders and thought 'knob', or a driver, or anyone come to that, but I don't believe you are one of those people who think smokers deserve lung cancer, drinkers deserve cirrhosis and bungee jumpers deserve a broken neck. I hope I'm right on that one.
I have to say that I'd be pretty hacked off if I'd been called a twat for voicing my opinion on here, but such outbursts do lend themselves to entertaining reading
Boringly, other than that one comment I have to agree with just about everything else that has been said.
All I can advise is when you filter prepare yourself to be knocked off and don't expect to get any back up from your insurer.
If I filter it is always at very slow speed because there are nasty bastards who pull over into your path without even changing lane, just because they can.
I've been driving/riding for 25 years and have had one accident 18 months ago, about the same circumstances as Feistygirl. I was on the bike doing 5-10 mile per hour filtering past stationery traffic queing for about 150 yds up to a set of traffic lights, when a car driver decided he would turn right into the petrol station opposite. Surprisingly he didn't bother to inconvenience himself by indicating or any such trivialities.
My front wheel was about level with his back door and there was a gap of about 3 foot between our vehicles. Before he turned he duly looked over his right shoulder looking right at me. No need for mirrors I could see his eyes. Then he pulled out, and swiped my bike over the centre line towards the petrol station.
Being rush hour I was lucky that the oncoming car was far enough away to be able to stop, but I did end up with a broken rib, a very bruised bum and £2k's worth ofdamage to the bike. As consolation, he had a broken wing mirror!
I have just been advised by my insurer to accept 50/50 blame.
My careful speed didn't save me, nor did being able to see the driver. In fact other than not filtering, nothing could have helped, and the same could just as easily happen to you.
So do we not filter, not drink, not smoke, not sky dive, not shag (I should be so lucky) just to avoid danger - not likely or youmight as well be dead anyway!
But that doesn't mean I deserve to be does it?
Hey Celtic.
Come on chap !! thats not filtering for beginners, no way !!
Thats the intermediate course !!
F * * K I N G H E L L !!
First part was good & he took the excact route I was looking at.
I must admit I thought he was gonna pop a wheelie on that bend
And I'm sure he clipped the truck
The guy's got balls the size of Saturn & he obviously knows that road like the back of his hand.
But, the last half, I think that could be possibly filed under 'A tad unsafe'
i have to say, as an amendment to greasy t`s comment,
that guy on a bike never once acnowledged any of the nice folk who moved over for him, bound to get folks back up that being rude,
also he has a metal key ring fob rubbing against the yolks, i`m not sure this would not mark the paint, i prefer to detatch the key from a plastic snap lock myself.
seems to be snatching a little with the clutchless upchange too, though this may be just the refresh rate of that cammera/frames per second, is tricky to tell with my pc.
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There are a lot of forign trucks and vans on our roads now. you can't easily tell in traffic which ones they are. There on the wrong side of the cab to see you and probably won't look anyway.
If you feel the need to filter at higher speeds and i myself wouldn't call weaving in and out of traffic filtering just undertaking. Then you must except the risk you take and that a lot of people will have to clean up the mess if you get it wrong. Or as my mom would say " if you play with feather, you'll get yer arse tickled"
not saying its not a valid debate or that people are not entitled to an opinion...of which there will be many differing views on this subject...but it is not valid debate when people start to apportion blame when not in possession of the full facts and an eye witness account is not "the full facts" as if you ask 20 eye witnesses you will undoubtably get 20 different versions.
The roads are dangerous when you ride a bike - its a risk we all choose to take...the trick to staying alive is knowing your own limits and your own capabilities and not riding to anyone elses. Of course sometimes we get it wrong but having someone say "you deserved it" or "i told you so" isnt helpful or clever or advice! if anything such statements have the opposite effect!
if you dont personally want to filter in traffic thats ok but that doesnt mean others shouldnt be doing it. just because you choose not to do something doesnt mean it should be banned for everyone else!!!
Kwakgirl, you've put your finger on it when you say you should not ride to anyone else's capabilities, which in my book includes half-asleep car drivers. Everyone does their own personal risk assessment with every manoeuvre they make. I don't filter at speed cos I'm worried about the nuckin futters in cages, but that's my decision. I would expect though that someone who does filter at speed does so accepting that things can go badly wrong, and is prepared to accept the consequences in terms of personal injury or worse, and also being on the wrong end of an insurance claim or criminal prosecution.
As for the guy in the video, I suspect he's just Putin's personal despatch rider who's been told his boss wants his butties delivered to his desk in ten minutes flat, otherwise it's a courier job to Siberia on a Honda 50
no probs with an opinion, shell.
But I seriously object to people trying to impose "their" standards on others...and then using crass statements like "you deserved it" when someone makes an error.
I didnt take it personally Shell but comments like "The guy in your post got what he deserved to be honest." WTF!!!
Bikers should stick together and not criticise each others riding on open forums.....yknow whose riding is soooo perfect they have a right to criticise anyone else... and it just gives more ammunition to the anti bike brigade and the nanny state!
You asked for opinion and/or advice and comments like that may be opinion but some opinions are best left unsaid!! I really hope the people who voiced such a view never find themselves making a mistake because they would end up looking very stupid indeed....hence my comment about those with a "holier than thou!attitude!
ps i am a stupid mare, id be the first to admit it! but its still my own choice!
But again your taking it all as a personal attack ... and its thier opinion on someone elses riding ... not on yours ...
I agree ... I saw him go past & saw what a prat he was & tho I would not say he deserved it , for me the only surprise was that he managed to limp away, I thought as he went past 'theres a prat waiting to be taken off'
Its not often I agree with Geoff ... but as he said ... This may come as a surprise to some, but not all bikers are safe, decent and considerate road users!
And I for one will not support a rider who is not safe, decent and considerate road users!!!
Not all can be blamed on car/van/lorry drivers.
Yes exactly their opinion of someones riding!
there are very few bikers who are safe decent and considerate road users 100% of the time same as there are very few drivers of any vehicle who are safe decent & considerate road users 100% of the time! and i for one would think very carefully before holding myself up as that 100% of the time!
How about what you witnessed might have been his 1% off day and how would you feel if he was a BM user and read the things that "fellow bikers" had said?....or what about the scenario he walks away from the scene and then drops dead from a blood clot 2 hrs later - does he still deserve it?
I think my point is Shell that NO ONE is qualified to pass judgment on anyone elses riding because NO ONE is perfect!
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