I bet that those who aren't aware of counter steering aren't using it. It takes a conscious thought to carry out an action which is counter intuitive. And we were taught it's press the bars, not give them a nudge.
One other reason for the initial post that seems to have caused this, is, I'm not going to be held responsible for telling someone how to counter steer on this site or any other. I'll make them aware that it exists, but if someone comes along and adds that bars should be nudged and people follow that advice then come back and say I suggested it, then I'm afraid that liability issues arise.
Ian, if you've not used the technique, that's up to you bud. They can always find a 90 yr old granny who smokes 40 a day too.
i aint saying i have not used it lamble, i dont hang around, and can corner as good as the next bloke/blokess, all i was saying is i have not come across the saying thats all.
Many years ago when i first started biking (when jap bikes were still called plastics)an older experienced biker asked me ...if you turn left or right what would you do ? in my ignorance i said that i would turn the bars in the direction i wanted to go ...back then , and i will never forget it , he said NO! you must lean in the direction you want to take and apply firm pressure to the opposite bar , not steer it , just firm pressure and lighter grip on the bar into the turn ...i've been riding like this most my life and still had moments after a fast bend where i've wondered how i managed to stay in control . Nowadays i ride for maximum pleasure and if on my own then so be it!
Have been watching this thread during the day on my mobile (ditched work early and been out riding) so I can only contribute now but WB has had it covered anyway .
Just deleted a whole load of text as we would be going round in circles about how a certain point was put across/interpreted in the hope of moving the topic on...
RK - hopefully you have followed all this and have not been confused/frightened by it all. Wills said it well in that you have probably been doing it anyway but was not aware of it or that it was a technique with a given name. If you had 'pressure gauges' on your grips you would see what was happening, as sometimes the touch is minimal. To 'use' the technique properly you just have to be aware of the dynamics of what is going on and follow what has already been said by others on here. Again, as others have said, as a self-confessed born-again biker you may well be doing it anyway. If not, ask a fellow rider next time you are out or have a play around yourself on a quiet stretch of tarmac somewhere. Reading the descriptions of it makes it sound like rocket surgery but it is actually easy peasy!
Best of luck RK.. and welcome back to the World of Two Wheels!!
RK... RK????
Oh lawd, hope he hasn't turned left on a right hander!!!
I think that the so called 'experts' can sometimes disappear into their own self importance(ie up their own arse) and forget that once upon a time, they were also learners. A bit of understanding and patience goes a long way in my experience(of life that is, not motorcycling) but like people have already said, you learn avoid those people and stick to those that might help you improve
hey look, i dont care what people want to call techniques, all i know is i enjoy going out on my bike, riding safe, not out of my capabilties,if someone goes past me round a corner or on a straight fair play to them, i dont race, pull whellies put other riders at risk, i just enjoy my motorcycle.so if i am doing something really wrong, it dont feel like it. and if i am lucky enough to ride out with someone less experienced, hey maybe they will teach me something too.
And so, you can see why I became an ex instructor. Seems that ignorance is bliss. At which time and point, you get to say, so do it your own way. Forget that people have studied this and come up with training methods. Forget that racers on road and off, adopt this method, that the police motor cyclists are taught this, let's just say they are all up their own arses and ride as we want, blissfully ignorant, right up to the moment that it might have made a difference.
And because you will have chosen to stick with those of a like mind, thankfully the chances are DC, that I won't be there to pick up the bits.
If you do think I've called myself an expert, then I'd like to see where. I'm continually learning, every road is new, even familiar roads change with conditions. It's not forgetting that you were once new, it's remembering that you still are. And patience, I think you may find DC that the patience to learn, to consider your safety and others, every time, doesn't mean being up your own arse as so eloquently put, it means exactly the opposite, being humble about your abilities and recognising the risks you bring with you. Recognising your shortcomings and addressing them. If you find this a personal rebuke, then so be it. It would appear that the consensus is that counter steering is something you all do anyway and it's just the term you don't know. Well now you do...that's educational in of itself. So, you'll know what it is you should have done next time you over cook a bend, by name, if nothing else.
I do countersteer.... fortunately, its something that came naturally to me. And for your information, i have my own personal police motorcyclist to help me develop my skills. I do however take exception to your holier than thou attitude. I've said what i'm going to say and thats the end of it as far as i'm concerned. I've never professed to be a good rider, quite the contrary, as most on here will corroborate but to tell a complete stranger that you wouldnt want to ride with them is in my opinion rude and offside. If yr as great as you think you are, then why not try and educate newcomers instead of belittle-ing them?
If there's one thing in life I could never understand, it's arguments for arguments sake!
No one has stated that you claim to be an expert Lamble. But I do feel that your comments are starting to get people's backs up a little!
You'll find that people don't criticise others here unless perhaps constructively. We are a helpful bunch who prefer to support and encourage. That's what we do and it is probably the main reason this site works so well.
If someone isn't sure about a particular technique, so what anyway? One thing I love about biking is the fact that everyone has a different riding "style".
The guy in particular question feels he needs to have further training and that's a good thing. The issue should have ended there.
Yes, I've done the courses also and I've been practising the techniques for a very long time. And yes, if someone was to ask for me to comment on their riding, I'd be happy to, just as I'd be happy for someone to comment on mine.
But we have to be helpful with our encouragement.
"You're not doing it right and you're gonna crash as a result" is not helpful! Neither is "ignorance is bliss" simply because another member doesn't go out and immediately practise what you tell them to lol!
Argumentative threads are not good for site members as a whole and certainly not good for the site. So let's get down off our soap boxes and chill a little.
Ok. I ain't gonna argue DC.
I'd suggest Lamble that you go find a cupboard and lock yourself in. DC may be a lovely lass but I get the impression that she packs a mean right hook!
Good one Geoff , thanks for breaking the ice on this topic ! we can have a sensible debate without getting personal and i believe all the subjects introduced by Lamble have been absorbing and informative , sometimes the sin bin is required for a cooling off period (as in rugby)and that is called for now . The Mag members topic is also quite heated but not personal and that is healthy for the site . I'm learning a lot here and grateful for it .
i am another newbie with only a few thou on the clock, and guess what? i cant get my head round countersteering at all and at every training session i had with various different instructors we have gone over it, the times i do it i dont know i have and when i try to then i cant do it cos im trying to think about it. the general opinion amoungst the instructors ive used is that it will come and that it is instinctive and that it should not cause any newbie to much stress cos nearly all of us do it anyway, yeah it would be good to be able to get my head around it but i wont lose anysleep over it.since passing my test ive had a huge amount of support on here from people whose opinions i have come to respect, people who have welcomed me on their rideouts,the members of biker match are so supportive of us newbies lots of positive good humoured comments to help us along our way and i for one have made many many new friends and im glad to be able to say that i too am quite choosy as to who i will go on a ride out with!
I tell you what, you and your close knit little band of chums can back yourselves up and accuse the new person. Personally the implication that DC says I'm up my own arse is evident. The petulant responses thereafter are neither worthy of comment or suitably frightening enough to make a cupboard worthy of a visit.
The short time I have spent here isn't worth the outlay. It has come to an end.
I wish you all many safe bends in your future riding, whether you have the faintest idea how you've managed them or not. I hope that anyone who joins in future, is ready to accept the clique and finds that you are more accepting of info that obviously some do not have.
You see right through me dont you DC .lol do you think i'll make the grade for a foreign affairs position ? phew but you can be harsh when your feathers are ruffled ! not a leo or scorpio by any chance ?
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