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stutts
In: hampshire
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ok here goes got a letter telling me im not insured,,phoned insurance company and they said my insurance is live and fine,sent copies to dvla,recorded delivery,week later another letter they have contacted my insurers and im not insured fine stands,phoned insurance company ,insurance fine and live ,and they have had no contact from dvla. what next

stutts @ 18/09/2015 19:57

JP
In: Birmingham
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Sounds like a day in court to me or its a good scam dvla cant fine you for no ins only the court can do that

JP @ 18/09/2015 19:59

stutts
In: hampshire
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,insured but dvla say im not and are fining me 100.00

stutts @ 18/09/2015 20:03

JP
In: Birmingham
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DVLA are not a court dont pay tell them you will see them in court and you will be claiming costs lost earnings Also £100.00 for no insurance ?? keep going and what about the 6 points. That must be a scam

JP @ 18/09/2015 20:07

stutts
In: hampshire
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just paid 4.00 on website to MID motor insurance database and checked and all my bikes come back as insured

stutts @ 18/09/2015 20:23

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Just a thought Stutts, but is it possible someone's copied your plates and is riding around with them on a similar model?

Deleted Member @ 18/09/2015 20:36

JP
In: Birmingham
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Im about to get a slap. Are you blonde by any chance PB ?

JP @ 18/09/2015 21:07

stutts
In: hampshire
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pb they would be uninsured too

but hey thanks for making me laugh, jp lol

stutts @ 18/09/2015 21:31

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JP - I never slap - I have other methods.

Stutts - yes I know they'd be uninsured and probably not taxed either - but if they've copied your plates they wouldn't care would they.

Deleted Member @ 18/09/2015 22:18

davidneale
In: London
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PB, if insurance doesn't appear on DVLA data base, you get a fine whether the vehicle is on the road or not.

Normally DVLA send a warning before a fine is implimented.

It could be that your insurance company is at fault for not registering your insurance early enough with DVLA. In which case they have broken the law.

davidneale @ 19/09/2015 09:18

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Stutts your being scammed mate.

Insurance has nothing to do with DVLA.

Go down to your local Plod shop I'm sure CID would love the info.

Deleted Member @ 24/09/2015 23:21

stutts
In: hampshire
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stuie ..deffinately not a scam,
have sent dvla all info by recorded delivery and an invoice for my time.
have also had a police friend of mine come round and put number plate through his car ANPR which come back clean,
will be pursuing this through court system if invoice to DVLA not paid within 7 days will let you know

stutts @ 25/09/2015 19:29

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So how comes the DVLA are fining you for not insuring a vehicle. It's only an offence to to use on a highway with out insurance not own with out insurance.

Even so it's either the local highways agency or local police force that prosecutes for driving with no insurance not the DVLA.

Still smells like a scam, I'd still pop around to the police and have a chat.

Good luck. And don't hand over any money with out speaking to a solicitor or majistrate.

Deleted Member @ 25/09/2015 22:42

Reidster
In: Bolton
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Hmmmmmmm be careful out there - ok how is this - M6 last year - pulled over by Traffic Car 0300hrs driving back from London for no insurance on his ANPR - all documents are with me EVERYTHING - ut still the was car taken off me on the spot self and family left at motorway service area and PREVENTED from removing luggage from the car.......The reason - ANPR database rules supreme.
The only way it could have been avoided would have been to have carried PROOF OF PAYMENT - we now pay allinsurance off the credit card and keep the statement copy as well

SO - not quite the same as your position but the point is that carrying all docs is no longer enough you must carry proof of payment this arose when I modded the car insurance and dropped of the MID database for 3 days and got nailed for something that I was later NOT convicted for....

For your DVLA problem I have learnt something and had no idea they could do that !!

Hmmmmmmm be  careful  out there  -  ok  how  is this  -  M6 last  year - pulled  over  by Traffic Car  0300hrs  driving  back from London for no insurance on  his  ANPR  -  all  documents are  with  me   EVERYTHING   -  ut still  the was  car taken  off me on the spot  self  and family  left  at motorway service  area  and PREVENTED  from removing luggage  from the car.......The  reason   -  ANPR  database  rules  supreme. 
The only  way  it could  have been  avoided  would have been  to have carried  PROOF  OF PAYMENT  -  we now  pay allinsurance  off the credit card and  keep the  statement copy as well

SO  -  not  quite the  same  as  your  position but the point is  that  carrying  all  docs is no  longer  enough  you must  carry proof  of  payment  this  arose  when I modded the car insurance and dropped  of  the MID  database  for 3 days  and got  nailed  for  something  that I was  later  NOT  convicted  for....

For  your  DVLA  problem  I  have learnt  something  and had no idea  they could do that  !!

Reidster @ 26/09/2015 17:44

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if bike or car are not insured they must be off street and sorn declared or you get a fined now from dvla

Deleted Member @ 26/09/2015 20:27

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FACT - the ANPR database DOESN'T RULE supreme, there have been numerous cases where people have had their day in court and proven that the database is infallible.

Unfortunately a lot of Police officers are trained to think that it's GOD's (ANPR) word that if it comes back saying the vehicle has a 'mark' against it then it must be illegal.

The database is updated not every day, or every time someone insures their vehicle. It's updated every so many days in between, and if you happen to drive your vehicle before your one of many in a batch of updates that need to be done, you can inadvertently be one that's vehicle isn't just yet registered 'clean'.... If you follow what I'm trying to say?

Me personally I would have my day in court, let the DVLA take you to court, they should have a representative (DVLA) that turns up to give prosecuting evidence. Show up and present at the court every piece of paper/evidence you have that you have proof of insurance/etc.
I'm betting once you prove that the Judge will tell the DVLA rep to go back and learn how to do their job properly.

Ohh... and the idea of invoicing the DVLA for your time, you need to ask the Court to take that into account and ask for a ruling against the DVLA if they agree with your account, and ask for it to be recorded as your evidence, otherwise the DVLA will basically ignore your invoice if you issue it personally.

If you've lost a fair amount in costs, the only other option is go get a 'debt agency' to go to DVLA and chase them up. I've known people who've done it and got their money back.Good luck with your fight

The DVLA couldn't run a P...S up in a pub if they even had official advice.On a separate note not to do with your predicament, I've spent over a year fighting DVLA because they didn't know their arse from their elbow!

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FACT - the ANPR
database DOESN'T RULE supreme, there have been numerous cases where people have
had their day in court and proven that the database is infallible.

Unfortunately a lot of Police officers are trained to
think that it's GOD's (ANPR) word that if it comes back saying the vehicle has
a 'mark' against it then it must be illegal.

The database is updated not every day, or every time
someone insures their vehicle.  It's updated every so many days in
between, and if you happen to drive your vehicle before your one of many in a
batch of updates that need to be done, you can inadvertently be one that's
vehicle isn't just yet registered 'clean'.... If you follow what I'm trying to
say?

Me personally I would have my day in court, let the DVLA
take you to court, they should have a representative (DVLA) that turns up to
give prosecuting evidence.  Show up and present at the court every piece
of paper/evidence you have that you have proof of insurance/etc.

I'm betting once you prove that the Judge will tell the
DVLA rep to go back and learn how to do their job properly.

Ohh... and the idea of invoicing the DVLA for your time,
you need to ask the Court to take that into account and ask for a ruling
against the DVLA if they agree with your account, and ask for it to be recorded
as your evidence, otherwise the DVLA will basically ignore your invoice if you
issue it personally.

If you've lost a fair amount in costs, the only other
option is go get a 'debt agency' to go to DVLA and chase them up.  I've
known people who've done it and got their money back.Good luck with your fight

The DVLA couldn't run a P...S up in a pub if they even
had official advice.On a separate note not to do with your predicament, I've
spent over a year fighting DVLA because they didn't
know their arse from their elbow!

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Deleted Member @ 27/09/2015 16:01

stutts
In: hampshire
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thanks for info yes im am going to court with the dvla,and will be claimimg costs .
will let you know the outcome

stutts @ 27/09/2015 21:03

JP
In: Birmingham
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Reidster the police have NO power to stop you removing your personal property from any car they are impounding from anybody if they do it is being taking property without the owners consent, THEFT ! unless it is being help as evidence for a possible future court case then they have to issue you with a receipt.

JP @ 28/09/2015 17:13

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Good luck Stutts

Deleted Member @ 28/09/2015 22:27

Reidster
In: Bolton
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http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4536023
COMMENT ON SORN AND INSURANCE - it IS linked
Update on the rules - since 2011 the DVLA also take an interest if you are NOT insured and have failed to SORN

Reidster @ 01/10/2015 19:41

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